wow, i love how you completely failed to answer the question why you don’t like church yet you have so many votes. Just because you know how to spam your video does not make it good.
Wow, I love how you address the idea without beating us over the head with it. I would think you’d have to be nigh retarded to miss the point, but hey, who could really be that slow?
Hey at least they didn’t beat us over the head with a solid narrow minded idea. Also they have better cinematic quality than anyone else on here. They put a story to it not some idiot yelling on a podium that there right and your wrong.
I like the fact that it’s not out to paint a negative light on christians specifically, but rather, the close mindedness of most modern organized religions, and how a person’s belief structure can be compared to an atheist’s beliefs on morality. (Or at least, this is what I got out of it, I could be waay off there.)
And can’t you only vote once? So how could they be spamming the video, unless they are promoting it via social interactive means. In which case they are also generating traffic to the site here, which I would imagine is one of the ideas behind this contest. (Plus, the person who votes still has to like it enough to click the green check anyways.)
I googled that comment quotation and it is found on the production company’s website. I do believe spamming entails forcing an advertisement down someone’s throat, not a link in a blog on a website.
spamming seriously? spamming is when you post a link that one would think is to a certain website, that they would want to visit, but unknowingly clicking the link to find yourself in an undesired website. How would putting this on their personal website, which I am sure is not something a lot of people visit in the first place, be spamming? it is mere advertisement, which yes, Anon you have acknowledged, but how is that forcing it down their throat?
I think the reason people don’t like church is people being incapable of politely accepting that things that don’t appeal to them may have merit among other people. Also, jumping to conclusions that if reality isn’t conforming in a set way that foul play is involved.
You guys have done an excellent job marketing your entry!
I’d love to hear some more spiritual discussion from the makers of this film. Are you coming from the angle that there are many paths to God? Or do you believe there is a God? Or a force? Or what?
The approach we took was that there actually is no God or Devil, and religion of any kind strongly urges you to take a moral path. That is what he means when he says he dislikes church, because it causes an individual to view the world through a relatively forced moral lense that, more often than not, makes individuals see other religions as wrong.
What we would have loved to be able to express is that the guy on the other side of the table is actually her conscience, judging her in the last moments of her life. That man is her judging the sum total of her actions and as her life slips away, she will go to ‘Heaven’ or ‘Hell’, a self imposed utopia or nightmare. In reality, all of it is in her head, and when she dies all she will be is a corpse in the ground.
A lot of material had to get cut to fit this entry into the contest. We plan to expand this short into a slightly longer film that will highlight most of what I said, using footage we had to cut, and then turn that slightly longer film into a mini series that takes a look at how an individual with a rigid moral structure deals with ambiguous moral decisions while balancing their beliefs.
Our actual beliefs may or may not legitimately factor in to the creation of this film, but the idea that all religion does is motivate you with a false hope of paradise or a false fear of eternal torment is an idea we found intriguing and wanted to share with the world.
the topic in the video is controversial, maybe this video states it doesn’t like church because you have the fear of picking the wrong one, but it wasn’t clearly stated like it should have been
ok if u dont understand the video i think its simply because ur biased and dont want it to win the guy in the video specificly says “see this is why i dont like church, who says your religion is correct” which is as some one stated earlier that the point is to keep an open mind people think they can go about there sinful lives and go to church and get off scott free (which i think is quite convinent) where as in this the man is stating there is no way to prove your religion is correct but it is a good thing to have faith in something and to have moral fiber i also think the video was done very tastefully not just screaming its point of view down anyones throats i personly love it
Could be worse. If it was me, I could be spamming them without the courage to actually use my name while stating my opinion, using some lame pseudonym like ‘Anon’, ‘Anon2′, or ’someone’. But who’s enough of a simpering child to do that. Hm.
I fail to see how this video doesn’t answer the question. The man across the table clearly states, “This is why I hate church, who says that your church is right?”. While as the writer mentioned in his response to Chris, the man is supposed to be the girl’s conscience, with that question he acts as a vehicle for the writer himself and with the rest of the responses of the man, this only seems to be confirmed. Hell, the girl’s addendum to why she was a good person, “I went to church”, answers the question. She speaks of acts with actual potential moral weight depending on your viewpoint on the matter, and then adds “I went to church” as though that were a decision or action with any moral weight. John Wayne Gacy I believe was a well respected member of his church, but does that somehow make him a morally righteous person or justify or excuse the murders he committed? I think not, and I think that’s where this entry is going.
The writer’s issue with religion lies with the moral aspects of it. Different religions do not necessarily offer parallel guidelines for morality, and some flat out contradict one another. A number of religious philosophers offer that different religions all offer a grasp of the Divine, with no one religion being the set path, and each only able to grasp certain aspects, with human consciousness, materialism, and fallibility the explanation for the disparate aspects of various religions, and this idea is where the writer’s problem begins. A large number of people of any faith will argue that their religion is the one true religion and will scoff at any idea of religious, and as a a result moral, relativism.
For the author, the idea that there can only be one true faith, and that your faith lays out the correct set of moral guidelines is fundamentally wrong. Further, the idea that merely participating in that faith or somehow paying lip service to it can somehow have any moral weight at all, causes a dislike or disdain of religion for him. As becomes even more evident from the author’s comment, he is a materialist and so the idea that guidelines that dictate our interactions with the world and people around us can be determined by something unprovable, with disparate unprovable ideas being used by others, negates religion as a basis for morality.
Further, I take issues with the idea that this video has the number of votes it has because of spamming. The other videos I’ve watched, which admittedly is not all of them, have struck me as akin to pulpit pounding or as someone else stated, beating us over the head with it. This video makes the writer’s response clear, and at the same time seems to argue against it’s own reasoning and this makes me like it all the more. It’s one thing to say, “I don’t like religion because (insert reason here)”, it’s another to actually raise an internal conflict it seems like the creator has maybe mad at some point with himself and stating his issue without saying “This is my belief and I’m right”. I dig subtlety. It doesn’t assume superiority or that I’m an imbecile and accusations of spamming only bring this contest down and insult the integrity of those involved with it and those involved with contest as a whole. Further, it sounds like, as the author says, someone whose ego is far too attached to his own work and his belief in it’s superiority to something to accept the idea that his work is in fact inferior to something else, or, as Joshua stated, a “simpering fool”.
21 Responses
bob
May 1st, 2010 at 7:38 pm
1wow, i love how you completely failed to answer the question why you don’t like church yet you have so many votes. Just because you know how to spam your video does not make it good.
Shawty Earl
May 2nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
2“Please come in, make yourself more comfortabableble”
Josh
May 3rd, 2010 at 4:31 pm
3Wow, I love how you address the idea without beating us over the head with it. I would think you’d have to be nigh retarded to miss the point, but hey, who could really be that slow?
Derek
May 3rd, 2010 at 4:48 pm
4Hey at least they didn’t beat us over the head with a solid narrow minded idea. Also they have better cinematic quality than anyone else on here. They put a story to it not some idiot yelling on a podium that there right and your wrong.
Vince Gabriel
May 3rd, 2010 at 7:03 pm
5I like the fact that it’s not out to paint a negative light on christians specifically, but rather, the close mindedness of most modern organized religions, and how a person’s belief structure can be compared to an atheist’s beliefs on morality. (Or at least, this is what I got out of it, I could be waay off there.)
And can’t you only vote once? So how could they be spamming the video, unless they are promoting it via social interactive means. In which case they are also generating traffic to the site here, which I would imagine is one of the ideas behind this contest. (Plus, the person who votes still has to like it enough to click the green check anyways.)
Anon
May 3rd, 2010 at 10:45 pm
6I googled that comment quotation and it is found on the production company’s website. I do believe spamming entails forcing an advertisement down someone’s throat, not a link in a blog on a website.
Anon2
May 4th, 2010 at 3:05 am
7spamming seriously? spamming is when you post a link that one would think is to a certain website, that they would want to visit, but unknowingly clicking the link to find yourself in an undesired website. How would putting this on their personal website, which I am sure is not something a lot of people visit in the first place, be spamming? it is mere advertisement, which yes, Anon you have acknowledged, but how is that forcing it down their throat?
Autumn
May 4th, 2010 at 10:05 am
8I believe Anon was merely stating that the video was not spammed. Although, I could be wrong.
name
May 6th, 2010 at 12:39 am
9I do not understand how this video is winning.
bob
May 6th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
10Over 200 votes?????? For a video that leaves most viewers scratching their heads wondering “what’s the point???”
ken skinner
May 6th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
11That’s the power of self-promotion. Get your friends and family members to vote for the video you want to win!
Nick
May 6th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
12I think the reason people don’t like church is people being incapable of politely accepting that things that don’t appeal to them may have merit among other people. Also, jumping to conclusions that if reality isn’t conforming in a set way that foul play is involved.
MagiCK Styles
May 7th, 2010 at 12:16 am
13I do not understand this video…
Chris
May 7th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
14You guys have done an excellent job marketing your entry!
I’d love to hear some more spiritual discussion from the makers of this film. Are you coming from the angle that there are many paths to God? Or do you believe there is a God? Or a force? Or what?
Joshua Stroder
May 8th, 2010 at 11:52 am
15The approach we took was that there actually is no God or Devil, and religion of any kind strongly urges you to take a moral path. That is what he means when he says he dislikes church, because it causes an individual to view the world through a relatively forced moral lense that, more often than not, makes individuals see other religions as wrong.
What we would have loved to be able to express is that the guy on the other side of the table is actually her conscience, judging her in the last moments of her life. That man is her judging the sum total of her actions and as her life slips away, she will go to ‘Heaven’ or ‘Hell’, a self imposed utopia or nightmare. In reality, all of it is in her head, and when she dies all she will be is a corpse in the ground.
A lot of material had to get cut to fit this entry into the contest. We plan to expand this short into a slightly longer film that will highlight most of what I said, using footage we had to cut, and then turn that slightly longer film into a mini series that takes a look at how an individual with a rigid moral structure deals with ambiguous moral decisions while balancing their beliefs.
Our actual beliefs may or may not legitimately factor in to the creation of this film, but the idea that all religion does is motivate you with a false hope of paradise or a false fear of eternal torment is an idea we found intriguing and wanted to share with the world.
gare
May 14th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
16the topic in the video is controversial, maybe this video states it doesn’t like church because you have the fear of picking the wrong one, but it wasn’t clearly stated like it should have been
philip
May 18th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
17ok if u dont understand the video i think its simply because ur biased and dont want it to win the guy in the video specificly says “see this is why i dont like church, who says your religion is correct” which is as some one stated earlier that the point is to keep an open mind people think they can go about there sinful lives and go to church and get off scott free (which i think is quite convinent) where as in this the man is stating there is no way to prove your religion is correct but it is a good thing to have faith in something and to have moral fiber i also think the video was done very tastefully not just screaming its point of view down anyones throats i personly love it
someone
May 28th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
18Spamming rude comments on another video is just lame dude.
Joshua Stroder
May 29th, 2010 at 1:30 am
19Could be worse. If it was me, I could be spamming them without the courage to actually use my name while stating my opinion, using some lame pseudonym like ‘Anon’, ‘Anon2′, or ’someone’. But who’s enough of a simpering child to do that. Hm.
Ryne Siler
May 31st, 2010 at 4:33 am
20I fail to see how this video doesn’t answer the question. The man across the table clearly states, “This is why I hate church, who says that your church is right?”. While as the writer mentioned in his response to Chris, the man is supposed to be the girl’s conscience, with that question he acts as a vehicle for the writer himself and with the rest of the responses of the man, this only seems to be confirmed. Hell, the girl’s addendum to why she was a good person, “I went to church”, answers the question. She speaks of acts with actual potential moral weight depending on your viewpoint on the matter, and then adds “I went to church” as though that were a decision or action with any moral weight. John Wayne Gacy I believe was a well respected member of his church, but does that somehow make him a morally righteous person or justify or excuse the murders he committed? I think not, and I think that’s where this entry is going.
The writer’s issue with religion lies with the moral aspects of it. Different religions do not necessarily offer parallel guidelines for morality, and some flat out contradict one another. A number of religious philosophers offer that different religions all offer a grasp of the Divine, with no one religion being the set path, and each only able to grasp certain aspects, with human consciousness, materialism, and fallibility the explanation for the disparate aspects of various religions, and this idea is where the writer’s problem begins. A large number of people of any faith will argue that their religion is the one true religion and will scoff at any idea of religious, and as a a result moral, relativism.
For the author, the idea that there can only be one true faith, and that your faith lays out the correct set of moral guidelines is fundamentally wrong. Further, the idea that merely participating in that faith or somehow paying lip service to it can somehow have any moral weight at all, causes a dislike or disdain of religion for him. As becomes even more evident from the author’s comment, he is a materialist and so the idea that guidelines that dictate our interactions with the world and people around us can be determined by something unprovable, with disparate unprovable ideas being used by others, negates religion as a basis for morality.
Further, I take issues with the idea that this video has the number of votes it has because of spamming. The other videos I’ve watched, which admittedly is not all of them, have struck me as akin to pulpit pounding or as someone else stated, beating us over the head with it. This video makes the writer’s response clear, and at the same time seems to argue against it’s own reasoning and this makes me like it all the more. It’s one thing to say, “I don’t like religion because (insert reason here)”, it’s another to actually raise an internal conflict it seems like the creator has maybe mad at some point with himself and stating his issue without saying “This is my belief and I’m right”. I dig subtlety. It doesn’t assume superiority or that I’m an imbecile and accusations of spamming only bring this contest down and insult the integrity of those involved with it and those involved with contest as a whole. Further, it sounds like, as the author says, someone whose ego is far too attached to his own work and his belief in it’s superiority to something to accept the idea that his work is in fact inferior to something else, or, as Joshua stated, a “simpering fool”.
Mia
May 31st, 2010 at 9:16 pm
21It looks like it will be a close race. I think either of the top two videos is a good one to win.
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